May 02
2007
Ironic idiocy
» Posted on May 2, 2007 04:15 PM » Category: Middle East

I'm afraid I don't have a link for this, but I have just been sent a press release on a debate held last night at the Oxford Union:

66% OF OXFORD UNION AUDIENCE BELIEVE THE PRO-ISRAELI LOBBY STIFLES WESTERN DEBATE ABOUT ISRAEL'S ACTIONS

Oxford, UK: 2nd May – A series of heated exchanges marked the arrival of the Doha Debates at the Oxford Union last night, where two-thirds of the student audience approved a motion claiming that Israel's supporters are stifling western debate.

This was the first time that the Doha Debates, a unique forum for free speech in the Arab world, have held an event outside Qatar.

The debate, hosted by award winning broadcaster Tim Sebastian, took place amid mounting controversy over the role of the pro-Israel lobby in the United States and accusations that it has suppressed criticism of Israel – a charge that the lobby vigorously denies.

Norman Finkelstein, a leading academic critic of Israeli policies, argued in favour of the motion claiming that the Pro-Israel lobby sows confusion to avoid being held to account: "they claim that the conflict is so complicated that it would require rocket science to penetrate its mysteries."

Finkelstein maintained that the American people are ignorant of solutions to the conflict that have been available for 30 years due to the "misinformation, disinformation, and sheer fraud which masquerades as scholarship that is validated by mainstream media."

The journalist and writer Andrew Cockburn supported this view, claiming there are "red lines" in discussing Israel that no politician or journalist in the US would dare cross for fear of being demonised or driven out of public life.

Dr Martin Indyk, former US Ambassador to Israel, and Director of the Saban Center for Middle East Policy, argued strongly against the motion, saying that last night's event in Oxford was proof of a lively debate on the subject. He said controversy over a recent book by former US president Jimmy Carter – branded anti-Semitic in some quarters – was further evidence that criticism of Israel was not being stifled.

His fellow panellist David Aaronovitch, the journalist and broadcaster, dismissed accusations of conspiracy around the lobby, insisting that Americans naturally identified with Israel, a country surrounded by autocracies, because of their belief in democracy: "It wasn't the Israeli lobby that made Egypt, Jordan, or Syria dictatorships," he said.

He added that what may be true in the US is not the case in Europe where there is no such movement to sow confusion or stifle debate: "But if debate is stifled it isn't coming from the pro-Israeli lobby as some Danish cartoonists found out to their cost."

The debate will be broadcast on BBC World on Saturday 5th May and on Sunday 6th May.

Do you think any of the '66%' (and I'm deeply suspicious of any vote which has such a neat figure as two thirds) who believe that the pro-Israeli lobby stifles debate has spotted the irony in recording their vote in the Doha Debates, described as "a unique forum for free speech in the Arab world". That's free speech - in which people can debate issues such as, oh, Israel, Hezbollah and anything else they choose to discuss - being "unique" to the Doha Debates as in not existing elsewhere. Debate is oh-so-free in the Arab world, in Iran, and in the Palestinian Authority, isn't it?


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My point on this debate is simple. As Rhodisia no longer exists there are no longer Rhodisians (at least recongnised...), so as Palistine no longer exists.............


Stated by: john boy on May 2, 2007 11:31 PM

I'd love to see the make-up of the "student" audience. There is something in the phrasing of this article that suggests that this debate was open to more than just members of the Oxford Union.

But the irony would indeed be delicious were it not so utterly depressing.

Stated by: The Pedant-General on May 3, 2007 12:05 PM

"There is something in the phrasing of this article that suggests that this debate was open to more than just members of the Oxford Union."

You are quite correct. It's something virtually everyone except thee and me appears to have missed:

"A group of students from Qatar will travel with the Doha Debates team to Oxford University to participate as audience members. The event will mark the first time the Doha Debates have held an event outside Qatar."

http://tinyurl.com/275utj

Stated by: Joshua on May 3, 2007 1:41 PM

Joshua,

I VERY VERY much doubt either that the visiting Qatari students made up 66% of the audience or even that said Qatari students voted en masse as a block for the motion.

My suspicion is that the unique nature of this event opened the audience beyond the visiting students.

There seems to be a pattern forming though at the Union at the mo: the previous week's debate appears to have been almost worse.

Stated by: The Pedant-General on May 4, 2007 11:35 AM

Joshua,

Actually that report is even worse:
"amid mounting controversy over the role of the pro-Israel lobby in the United States and accusations that it has suppressed criticism of Israel - a charge that the lobby vigorously denies."

Notice
1) the implicit assumption that a lobby with the power to suppress cricitism even exists...
2) No names - even of organisations - quoted as part of the denial.

Not good journalism...

Stated by: The Pedant-General on May 4, 2007 12:35 PM
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