January 30
2007
What's discrimination?
» Posted on January 30, 2007 10:20 AM » Category: Bigotry

Via Clive Davis, Dave Hill poses an interesting question:


If I object to the government allowing publicly-funded Catholic adoption agencies to discriminate against same-sex couples (which I would) should I not also object to my local authority allowing Orthodox Jews to have the municipal swimming pool to themselves during Sunday afternoons (which I don't)?

The obvious answer (which some of his commenters give) is 'yes', given that the pool is a municipal pool. But the obvious answer is wrong. The discriminatory act would be making the pool available to everyone, all of the time, given that there are many groups - not just Orthodox Jews, but Muslim women and some women of no religion who are merely modest in their behaviour - who would not be able to utilise the facility for which they have paid their taxes. Allocating a small amount of time to those women is not discriminatory; it is the opposite.

It's a similar argument to that over faith schools. Within the state system, then provided that they stick to certain rules about what they teach - and that is critical - then it's discriminatory not to allow faith-based schools.

UPDATE: About 5 minutes after posting this, I see that Adloyada has said the same thing, only better:


It isn't restricted to orthodox Jews. It's a single sex swimming time. So it offers opportunities to various groups, who also pay for the facilities through their council taxes, who would otherwise be excluded by mixed swimming only setups. These could include strictly observant Muslims, radical feminists and others who feel for a variety of reasons that they cannot be in a mixed sex swimming environment. The majority who enjoy mixed sex facilities get those for the great majority of the time they are open.


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Hello Stephen. Nice answer. But why isn't the principle behind it a recipe for "political correctness gone mad" and so on (and on and on)?

Stated by: Dave Hill on January 30, 2007 7:41 PM

It's not an interesting question at all. It's an appalling state of affairs. I've posted on this. They're just as much after the Jews as after the Christians, Stephen.

Stated by: James on January 30, 2007 7:43 PM

Alas, I must disagree.

Muslim women may be paying for the pool through their taxes, but their preference to swim alone is a voluntary choice.

The culture at large has no problem with mixed swimming. It is not the majority that has to make allowances for the minority in matters of choice; it is the other way around.

Pursuing your logic to its end would mean that use of the municipal pool would be subject to the choices of every taxpayer in the municipality. Do you really want to go down that road?

Suppose a married couple chooses not to have children. Should they then be exempt from paying the taxes used for schools?

I'm sure Melanie Phillips could put it better than I have, but there you are.

Stated by: ampontan on February 1, 2007 2:20 AM
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