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Sorry - some posts and comments have disappeared in the transfer over to my new domain server. Don't want to speak too soon but it looks as if things are settling down now.


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How exactly am I meant to insult the British left's answer to Borat (Neil "Mr. Milošević" Clark) if the relevant posts are no longer there? Sigh.

Stated by: Joshua on November 19, 2006 12:16 PM

How convenient for you Joshua that yesterday's post is no longer here so that you can't be held up to further public ridicule for your outrageous comment that any criticism of Milton Friedman by gentiles was motivated by anti-semitism.
Perhaps you would like to repeat the allegation today?
As for your very silly link, I think you'll find that the current British and American governments have produced rather more dead skulls than 'Mr Milosevic' ever did. As Neil Clark, John Laughland, Alexander Cockburn and Julia Gorin of the World Jewish Review have pointed out, the Hague trial lasted over four years and no evidence was produced to link Milosevic to mass graves or acts of ethnic cleansing.

Stated by: greengoddess on November 19, 2006 2:25 PM

"How convenient for you Joshua that yesterday's post is no longer here so that you can't be held up to further public ridicule for your outrageous comment that any criticism of Milton Friedman by gentiles was motivated by anti-semitism."

Anti-Semitism in Britain is no longer a social crime. Accusations of anti-Semitism on the other hand will invariably attract all kinds of vile insults. That is why whenever anti-Semitism is mentioned in a post on this forum, the vast majority of posters either will defend that anti-Semitism or remain completely silent. Make a charge of anti-Semitism though and their self-righteous indignation instantly bursts forth in all its Blimpish awfulness.

The hysteria my little post caused obviously hit home. I can 't say I'm displeased about that result.

As for holding up Jews to public ridicule, that is exactly what many European gentiles do best. I have zip concern for such things. It would be like complaining about the smell of pigs. It's one of the facts of life in Europe, something that will never change.

"As for your very silly link, I think you'll find that the current British and American governments have produced rather more dead skulls than 'Mr Milosevic' ever did."

Leaving aside the obvious moral bankruptcy of such an analogy (something I would naturally expect from a Neil Clark supporter), do you also believe that if you murdered your husband you should get off with a caution because the woman down the road murdered her husband the week before?

"As Neil Clark, John Laughland, Alexander Cockburn and Julia Gorin of the World Jewish Review have pointed out,"

Hitler too had his supporters in the West even after the war was over.

A final word about Clarkie. I have heard the man engage in a few throat-clearing exercises about anti-Semitism in the past. I have never heard him condemn Hungary for her vicious anti-Semitic policies pre-Hitler or her massive collaboration in the destruction of the sparkling jewel in her crown - her Jewish community. I have also never heard him condemn the fact that Hungary has never owned up to these crimes and has not changed in the slightest in the last sixty years. I have read his defence of Belarus but nowhere did I see any mention of the state-sponsored Jew-hatred which is aimed at the pitiful remnant of a once great community. Clark also suggests that an American attack on Syria or Iran would be a most dastardly deed even though both nations are currently engaged in actively attempting to destroy the Jewish state.

If Clark does consider himself a friend of the great Jewish people, please do pass on a message from Joshie: With friends like Clarkie, we really don't need any enemies.

For more on Clarkie, I would suggest that you look up the many interesting comments Oliver Kamm and Stephen Pollard have made on the subject.

You weren't born in Hungary were you greengoddess?

Stated by: Joshua on November 19, 2006 4:32 PM

"Accusations of anti-Semitism on the other hand will invariably attract all kinds of vile insults. "

The only "vile insults" I've aimed in your direction are to the effect that you're a crashing bore and a tedious monomaniacal obsessive.

But these aren't insults: they're demonstrable facts, backed up with overwhelming evidence. On the other hand, your retort that I must be an anti-Semite isn't - in fact, it's the polar opposite of the truth and most definitely falls within the category of "vile insult" (or would do, if I was minded to take it seriously for a second).

In fact, it's precisely BECAUSE I've spent much of the past two decades helping to promote good Anglo-Jewish relations that I find your one-man campaign to smear all Britons as closet anti-Semites so offensive.

And you can't even see how counter-productive it is:

(a) because such generalisations are self-evidently as blinkered and bigoted as the attitudes you affect to deplore, and;

(b) because if your modus operandi is to tar as many people as possible with the brush of anti-Semitism, you run the very real risk of devaluing the term when it's genuinely needed, much as the term 'fascist' has been misused to the point of meaninglessness.

To paraphrase your good self, with friends like you...

Stated by: CheekyBob on November 19, 2006 5:44 PM

Here's a recent article by Neil Clark, touching on anti-semitism in Europe and western double standards towards it, which clearly passed you by Joshua.
http://www.spectrezine.org/europe/clark.htm
“Anti-semitism undoubtedly exists in Hungary - as elsewhere in Europe - and should be unequivocally condemned. It is revealing, however, that the presence of openly anti-semitic groups in Ukraine's "orange revolution" went unreported in the Western media.
Dr John Laughland, of the British Helsinki Human Rights Group, who observed events in Ukraine at close hand, reported the involvement in the Ukrainian opposition of the paramilitary, anti-semitic group UNSO, which originates in western Ukraine. He commented: "Despite its usual distaste for any manifestation of anti-semitism, Washington isn't worried. One Republic Party insider commentated that there wasn't a problem, there is 'no anti-semitism in Ukraine'."

Stated by: greengoddess on November 19, 2006 6:50 PM

And you obviously didn't read these posts by Neil Clark either, Joshua:
http://neilclark66.blogspot.com/2006/05/rewriting-of-history.html
http://neilclark66.blogspot.com/2006/09/anti-semitism-in-hungary.html

Stated by: greengoddess on November 19, 2006 6:59 PM

"That is why whenever anti-Semitism is mentioned in a post on this forum, the vast majority of posters either will defend that anti-Semitism or remain completely silent."

Do you mean when an accusation of anti semitism is made by someone sane or is it, as I suspect, when you make one of your bizarre accusations that have about as much basis in reality as accusations of being a lizardoid alien made by David Icke do?

Stated by: Ross on November 20, 2006 10:12 PM
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