As an American, I must point out that after Hank Greenberg and Sandy Koufax, one hardly needs anyone else to feel proud. (They were baseball players, Mr. Pollard.)

There have been quite a few Jewish boxers from the US, and Roman Greenberg (Russian, now living in Israel) is a heavyweight to watch.

TRUE OLYMPIC SPIRIT

1) Jewish (also one Pole and one Sinti) Olympic Athletes Murdered in the Holocaust by the Nazis and Their Innumerable Collaborators

http://www.ushmm.org/museum/exhibit/online/olympics/zcd078.htm

2) Attila Petschauer

http://www.jewishsports.net/BioPages/AttilaPetschauer.htm

3) The Munich Massacre

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/munich.html

4) Iranian Hero

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A15579-2004Aug19.html

TRUE JEWISH SPIRIT

1) JewishSports.com

http://www.jewishsports.com/

2) Jews in the Olympics 2000

http://www.jewishsports.com/jewsin/olympics.htm

3) Jews in the Olympics 2004

http://www.jewishsports.com/jewsin/2004olympics.htm

4) History of Jews in Sports

http://jewishsports.com/jewsin/history/

5) Mark Spitz

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Spitz

6) History of Jews in Baseball

http://www.jewishsports.com/jewsin/history/baseballhistory.htm

7) Jews in Boxing

http://www.jewishsports.com/jewsin/history/boxinghistory.htm

The Ashkenazi physiognomy (weedy, myopic) does not lend itself to sports which require explosive strength. Some Jews did well in boxing at the lower weights. More relaxed activities requiring foresight rather than instantaneous improvisation (e.g. cricket and golf, not basketball or Sumo wrestling) could suit European or American Jews. Israel has an XI with Test-status longings, I do believe.

Still, on the whole selective breeding for verbal-ability IQ over hundreds of generations means that you tend to wind up owning or commentating on the team rather than playing for it. There's a wry truth in that scene in 'Airplane' where the old lady asks the stewardess for 'something light' to read and is handed a pamphlet called 'Great Jewish Sporting Legends'.

Weiss Guy - That was a funny post!

Give me a man who's funny and kind over someone who gets his kicks out of jumping around any day! That's all sports are. Men jumping around.

George Cohen, Ben Cohen.

Depends if you include Chess as a sport, really

It just goes to show that there is nothing and nobody so bigoted and blind as a European gentile. Alex and Weiss Guy, try following up some of the links I posted, and you will find that Jewish sporting achievements, at least in terms of the Olympics, are far ahead of the UK's in percentage terms. And when you are through with those, check out the 25% of Nobel Prize winners who are Jewish.

What I find so odd is that the gentile citizens of such a profoundly pygmy nation like the UK would have the cheek to criticize the immense achievements of the Jews (achievements which have been made in many cases despite the profound opposition of European gentiles) in virtually every field of human endeavor.

Heidi, speaking of misunderstandings, you seem to have us confused with Europeans. That is quite a large malcomprehension. We have totally different systems of government, social mores, language and systems of law. If you're American, your law is based on English Common Law, not the Napoleonic Code.

You seem to have hit a nerve. For god's sake don't mention the Guide to Australian Culture.

Heidi, plus, the UK is the fourth largest economy in the world, so if we're a pygmy nation, the rest of them must be microbes.

In Britain, you will find few sentient people unaware that by far the greatest majority of Nobel prize winners are Jewish. Are you aware that the leader of the Opposition - the Conservative Party - is a second generation Jewish immigrant? As is the shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer. I haven't noticed the Americans or the French running two Jews for the top two positions in politics.

In addition, I wasn't aware of any law that prevents "gentiles" to use your characterisation, from commenting on matters Jewish. Do we have your personal permission to laugh at 'The Producers'?

Heidi
You display your sense of humour failure with all the lightness and finesse of a Ben Cohen tackle.
Oh and I have been wandering around your varied links and am not overly impressed. I suppose if one could claim an entire team (I guess that most of the Israeli team is jewish) and then a whole bunch from elsewhere, then of course your numbers add up. But its not what one would call normal.
I dunno, I guess that the muslim faith has dozens of sportsmen and women.
Balls to it, it was a joke, smile you miserable blighter.

"If you're American, your law is based on English Common Law, not the Napoleonic Code."

Unless you live in Louisiana, although referring to all civil codes as "the Napoleonic Code" is inaccurate: that properly only refers to French Civil Code of 1808, still in force in France and at least in part a model for perhaps half the civil codes in the civilian world, but not, strictly speaking, the law anywhere else.

Dave J - I was going to add a rider, "save if you live in Louisiana", but I didn't want to be pedantic and detract from the sharpness of my point.

But now that we're involved in pedantry, LA isn't, in a true sense, governed by the Napoleonic Code because it's governed by the United States, which is a long way from the Napoleonic Code. I'd be interested to know though, are their property laws like insane French property laws? Are they required by law to keep a "book of the family" in the house? Napoleonic law is unnecessarily complicated and intrusive and has mad a lethal contribution to the French hidebound, bureacratic mentality, which hobbles them. This is a genuine question, if you happen to know the answer.

I went to Tulane Law School in New Orleans, Verity, so you may have opened up a can of a worms: I could probably go on about this at greater length than anyone would want. ;-) That said, while being at Tulane exposes one to this sort of thing by osmosis, I didn't focus on Louisiana law, so while I am a comparativist, I can't claim to be a scholar of Louisiana's particular details, such as that question about a "book of the family," although going on instinct, I doubt there is such a requirement.

Anyhow, Louisiana is a mixed jurisdiction. Like all mixed jurisdictions (e.g., Quebec, Puerto Rico, Scotland, Sri Lanka, South Africa, Israel), its private law is civilian while its public law is at least largely common law. The Louisiana Constitution, for example, is something anyone familiar with other US state constitutions would recognize, although it my understanding is that it guarantees the protection of certain civil-law principles: forced heirship is what immediately comes to mind, and I understand the constitution had to be amended in order to narrow the application of that principle to, I believe, only minor children. Since procedure is public law, as in all mixed jurisdictions, you essentially see procedure in the common-law mold being used to litigate and adjudicate civil-law substance.

The Louisiana Civil Code draws primarily on French sources and models, but also significantly from Spanish ones as well, since Spain governed Louisiana from 1763 until its conquest by Napoleon 40 years later. Its revisions over time also introduced/translated a number of common-law principles into civilian terminology, and as such has been a leading influence on other codes: for example, if I'm not mistaken, Louisiana's was the first civil code to provide a legal institution analogous to the trust, which was created by equity in England and until quite recently did not exist in the civil-law world.

I know that may not answer all your questions, but it's a good start, isn't it?

Dave - Thank you. Tulane is a fine school. That forced inheritance law (in France) is why you see so many houses dotted around the French countryside falling down for want of repair.

I apologise to Stephen for having had the bad manners to hijack his thread, however briefly, and will shut up now.

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